From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 19:39:46 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqeg5-00062k-Sa for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:39:46 -0800 Received: from mail-px0-f201.google.com ([209.85.216.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqefz-00061d-Q5 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:39:45 -0800 Received: by pxi39 with SMTP id 39so1501654pxi.2 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:39:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CAZivovXA/2D5IdhhA5N+ZESX7vdwEBMCT+ZyTzoRC0=; b=DqIVTtkZyBANSbbWZ/ithSiLP1hmIbrm7FrOi9DPUCt+msFN8MtNEXm+40w4YaJ9zK QqHHjvTUjPIPA+/vFbajY3S1e3ZldebZl6n39v0YxoZaCKfwyFhosaAm8uFEI7YHRHdL aTZu+y6wfNdDcPcoD94YN7e9q/UA9B4rQfZaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I18bnn1oRE9xX7VY1dsj3FqN45v9yrvnTObRSXRLYhoSns4WMZec4LJzUPrKqLM9BZ 5jcsvbWJDKRKLGueoMbgfv6ZZ2R1MBpcvzr63rGGoCxdSkRn4zdUoMzvaPHoy0fJmXS/ Ppk6uVZBYghw5iMvJm/6etGiNsdQeBC0Vqj8k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.67.38 with SMTP id p38mr995701wfa.83.1268537973249; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:39:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100314031037.GI25330@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> <121832.27670.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1003131143l278d2c46lbdfcf548e0d172ff@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131226n5303477h1907741037570f1e@mail.gmail.com> <20100313213001.GB25330@digitalkingdom.org> <249d5b951003131447v7a09dc3aobf985dc2f4f54810@mail.gmail.com> <20100314001957.GE25330@digitalkingdom.org> <96f789a61003131811p3ad6fe66u5d0f4d0f1eeb4b22@mail.gmail.com> <20100314031037.GI25330@digitalkingdom.org> From: Oren Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:39:13 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e551003131939t42781ea3hc54a5ea0801e221e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I think the idea to keep full place structure solves this marvelously. No keyword can ever be perfect, and apparently some may not even be sufficiently distinct to some people. The simple and automatable solution is to add the gismu place definition; it may be lengthy but when you're studying you can ignore the trailing place structure if you know it already. This way, we would be erring on the side of over-precision -- which isn't really erring at all by some definitions. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:10, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 09:11:09PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> I'm sorry. I'm a native English speaker, and much as I usually >> argue with Xorxes, his point is very well taken.  And >> Merriam-Webster agrees with him. > > Again: this isn't about whether he's correct as to the keyword > matching the Lojban definition; he's obviously correct, as I've said > several times.  This is about whether or not you'd rember that "a > talker" is distinct from "a sayer" consistently when using (hundreds > of) flashcards. > > -Robin > > -- > They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.