From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 19:51:26 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqerN-0006Zw-1O for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:51:25 -0800 Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.160.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqerC-0006XE-LX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:51:24 -0800 Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so235382gyh.40 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:51:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rkmw075BYwXifTITcwfX7xp9179GzqIYrgTLS0JQJg0=; b=XVW2xuQaf3QUmJsuZDdj9VWgV+BvBWFb7hz7T/3Yrx0sNpJq+FfjXfPVyJXR/dFSNr 1ApsCW5uu5G9PNEVfNdO2+33548aKei4tzdX/Yonq7Io7Rf+EbGx1iP8KGt2OOdtfWAW 7eIszzf51SVHX8Ociop6O+0yGrsbuVC92OZis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=izIKmkb2zSew3GVzpI011wRIxwXL/FTKT18aXKt7Nm0fct5gPwZpY+YlX1IE+BBo9T P0WIMpM2O4xNLkWLGaNDDsPn8UkW6SVlMbB99i+f+VZ2h7+aeZJ1STOD2Hh1GkcglZQd /IqIYztEQyr8/N8ZUUFRbew70Pby73QJ6E/o0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.20.24 with SMTP id 24mr2079100ant.38.1268538668334; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:51:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100314001957.GE25330@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> <121832.27670.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1003131143l278d2c46lbdfcf548e0d172ff@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131226n5303477h1907741037570f1e@mail.gmail.com> <20100313213001.GB25330@digitalkingdom.org> <249d5b951003131447v7a09dc3aobf985dc2f4f54810@mail.gmail.com> <20100314001957.GE25330@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:51:08 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951003131951p5926a0c8webe35fcf5465026e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f89b0eb5bfb50481baacc8 X-archive-position: 17215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001485f89b0eb5bfb50481baacc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I do feel that "to say" and "to talk" are distinct, but you asked for "sayer" and "talker". "Sayer" doesn't mean anything to me (except in "soothsayer", "truthsayer", and probably other compounds), whereas "talker" is a common word. So they're still distinct, but for different reasons. And no, I didn't realize you were talking only about flashcards. I have no interest in the flashcard project, so I don't want to influence it either way. stevo On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:47:36PM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > Robin, > > How many native English speakers have no problem at all with the > say/talk > > distinction? I don't. Maybe you and Jonathan are the only exceptions, > and > > it makes no sense to change a keyword for the sake of two people out > of a > > much larger community. > > I can't speak for people who haven't spoken up. Now it's 2 to 1. > :) Feel free to get other people to post. > > I'm really curious, though: You're saying that if one flashcard say > "a sayer" and another said "a talker", you wouldn't find that > confusing at all? Those seem obviously distinct to you? > > Regardless, please see my other post for a better suggestion (adding > the whole place structure in). > > > I prefer 'say' for "cusku". (or even better: 'cusku' for > > "cusku".) > > Erm. > > You do understand that we're *only* talking about flashcards, right? > We're not talking about changing anything official, or what's in > jbovlaste, or anything, just flashcards. > > A flashcard that said "cusku" on one side and "cusku" on the other > would not be helpful. > > -Robin > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --001485f89b0eb5bfb50481baacc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do feel that "to say" and "to talk" are distinct= , but you asked for "sayer" and "talker". "Sayer&q= uot; doesn't mean anything to me (except in "soothsayer", &qu= ot;truthsayer", and probably other compounds), whereas "talker&qu= ot; is a common word. So they're still distinct, but for different reas= ons.
And no, I didn't realize you were talking only about flashcards. I= have no interest in the flashcard project, so I don't want to influenc= e it either way.
=C2=A0
stevo

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Robin Lee Powel= l <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:47:36PM -0500, MorphemeAddict = wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Robin,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0How many native Eng= lish speakers have no problem at all with the say/talk
> =C2=A0 =C2= =A0distinction? I don't. Maybe you and Jonathan are the only exceptions= , and
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0it makes no sense to change a keyword for the sake of two= people out of a
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0much larger community.

I= can't speak for people who haven't spoken up. =C2=A0Now it's 2= to 1.
:) =C2=A0Feel free to get other people to post.

I'm really curious, though: You're saying that if one flashcard= say
"a sayer" and another said "a talker", you woul= dn't find that
confusing at all? =C2=A0Those seem obviously distinct= to you?

Regardless, please see my other post for a better suggestion (addingthe whole place structure in).

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I prefer 'say' for "cu= sku". (or even better: 'cusku' for
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= cusku".) =C2=A0

Erm.

You do understand that we'= ;re *only* talking about flashcards, right?
We're not talking about changing anything official, or what's injbovlaste, or anything, just flashcards.

A flashcard that said &quo= t;cusku" on one side and "cusku" on the other
would not b= e helpful.

-Robin

--
They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be built by the = military as weapons."
And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does = it even occur to you to try for something
other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the def= ault =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http= ://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/


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