From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 15 06:59:46 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrApa-0001ip-NH for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:46 -0700 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrApR-0001hU-E8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:37 -0700 Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17so2549658wwi.40 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MIJAkary4jzMPOj7N7OhQ0yaD8nIZctvComKHl/yqls=; b=t1/afSQ04ntsVDlsZcTsJE7UBYxm7oV7sXunMBEHrjRnUpTUvfw6rmJoiRsTY7W1TX 1hdKSMAUUBtecUtmOXm6ZcGs0LXsZW5yplhA5yKhI2WZYhU/lTDppSJbfnb3DcFftI7p 2+yvBFmcDVcD1Y0fpvyBipWgvZcx4ECxJ/W0o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=q5rRBCB4kt59Pg5J0SMNNXEFfeMnPsALy3K7c7lIgOfl0Nt+XDdF4X4C75IaVWtKa7 zyPUvAb8xwugzqwMpN2mEiqdzZJK/DmL78aUz3anDL8ScpzRhKEiF/S2ypgl2Ojl6+57 jlo1+PX/RwnZSQ9xMHaKiHpF14I7nXRuYiWKo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.202 with SMTP id e52mr1435285wef.150.1268661566430; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17561003141441w51949aa9h4554e8fd6ed8f28@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <121832.27670.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1003131143l278d2c46lbdfcf548e0d172ff@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131226n5303477h1907741037570f1e@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003140705o682e399ufcdea6c30c490066@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003140757x45c83214ra3d26c5993ad2169@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003141219k55701cf3nb0acb31afdcba21b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003141351t4ef5dc11r69e8ec60b5d55651@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003141432t2fe8bfc6j9fb44cdc026f8623@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003141441w51949aa9h4554e8fd6ed8f28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:59:26 -0600 Message-ID: <702226df1003150659g7bea1d29x2353d1bcc04073e5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7ee5701e0030481d74a06 X-archive-position: 17239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6d7ee5701e0030481d74a06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > > > > Alright, I see your point. How about "state"? I don't believe it's bein= g > > used, it doesn't have the "meaning" connotation of "express" nor the > > "verbal" connotation of say. > > I would say "state" matches "xusra" better than "cusku". You don't > state "hello!", you state a proposition. > Why does the verbal connotation of "say" bother you so much, but the > same verbal connotation of "talk" doesn't? Do you have a better suggestion for tavla than talk? Because I don't. > Your reason for rejecting "say" is not the same as Robin's. Robin > doesn't like it because to him "say" and "talk" are not sufficiently > distinct without context. But your reason for rejecting "say" for > "cusku" would also apply to using "talk" for "tavla". My reason for rejecting "say" is the same as Robin's. I just happen to have more than one reason. > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d7ee5701e0030481d74a06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/3/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alright, I see your point. How about "state"? I don't b= elieve it's being
> used, it doesn't have the "meaning" connotation of "= ;express" nor the
> "verbal" connotation of say.
I would say "state" matches "xusra" better than= "cusku". You don't
state "hello!", you state a proposition.
Why does the verbal connotation = of "say" bother you so much, but the
same verbal connotation o= f "talk" doesn't?
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Do you have a better suggestion for tavla than talk? Because I don'= ;t.
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Your reason for rejecting "= say" is not the same as Robin's. Robin
doesn't like it beca= use to him "say" and "talk" are not sufficiently
distinct without context. But your reason for rejecting "say" for=
"cusku" would also apply to using "talk" for "= tavla".
=A0
My reason for rejecting "say" is the same as Robin's. I = just happen to have more than one reason.
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