From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 15 07:28:58 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrBHt-0007Ab-Ju for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:28:58 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f154.google.com ([209.85.219.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrBHl-000724-Fv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:28:54 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so270354ewy.2 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:28:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <925d17561003150715g66966388y3f57040e61f4500d@mail.gmail.com> Received: by 10.213.97.15 with SMTP id j15mr924055ebn.5.1268663321755; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001636c5b1bca2062a0481d7b230@google.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:28:41 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: GFBeresford@gmail.com To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b1bca206170481d7b22d X-archive-position: 17241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: GFBeresford@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001636c5b1bca206170481d7b22d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SSB0aGluayBvZiB0aGVtIGFzICJhc3NlcnQiIGFuZCAiY29udmVyc2UiIChjdXNrdSBhbmQgdGF2 bGEgcmVzcGVjdGl2ZWx5KS4NCg0KQW55IG9iamVjdGlvbnMgdGhlcmU/DQoNCg0KT24gTWFyIDE1 LCAyMDEwIDI6MTVwbSwgSm9yZ2UgTGxhbWLtYXMgPGpqbGxhbWJpYXNAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90 ZToNCj4gT24gTW9uLCBNYXIgMTUsIDIwMTAgYXQgMTA6NTkgQU0sIEpvbmF0aGFuIEpvbmVzIGV5 ZW9udXNAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiA+IDIwMTAvMy8xNCBKb3JnZSBMbGFtYu1hcyBq amxsYW1iaWFzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4NCg0KPiA+Pg0KDQo+ID4+IFdoeSBkb2VzIHRoZSB2ZXJiYWwg Y29ubm90YXRpb24gb2YgInNheSIgYm90aGVyIHlvdSBzbyBtdWNoLCBidXQgdGhlDQoNCj4gPj4g c2FtZSB2ZXJiYWwgY29ubm90YXRpb24gb2YgInRhbGsiIGRvZXNuJ3Q/DQoNCj4gPg0KDQo+ID4g RG8geW91IGhhdmUgYSBiZXR0ZXIgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbiBmb3IgdGF2bGEgdGhhbiB0YWxrPyBCZWNh dXNlIEkgZG9uJ3QuDQoNCg0KDQo+IE5vLCBJIHRoaW5rICJ0YWxrIiBpcyB0aGUgYmVzdCBvbmUt d29yZCBnbG9zcyBmb3IgInRhdmxhIiwganVzdCBhcw0KDQo+ICJzYXkiIGlzIHRoZSBiZXN0IG9u ZS13b3JkIGdsb3NzIGZvciAiY3Vza3UiLiBJIGRvbid0IHRoaW5rICJzYXkiIGFuZA0KDQo+ICJ0 YWxrIiBhcmUgdG9vIHNpbWlsYXIgKHRoZXkgYXJlIG5vIG1vcmUgc2ltaWxhciB0aGFuICJjdXNr dSIgYW5kDQoNCj4gInRhdmxhIiksIGFuZCBJIGRvbid0IHRoaW5rIHRoZWlyIHZvY2FsIGNvbm5v dGF0aW9uIGlzIHNvIHN0cm9uZyB0aGF0DQoNCj4gcGVvcGxlIHdvbid0IHJlYWxpemUgdGhhdCB0 aGV5IGNhbiB1c2UgdGhlbSBmb3Igbm9uLXZvY2FsIGNvbnRleHRzLg0KDQoNCg0KPiAiU3BlYWsi IHdvdWxkIGJlIG15IHNlY29uZCBjaG9pY2UgZm9yICJ0YXZsYSIsIGJ1dCBpdCBpcyB3b3JzZSB0 aGFuDQoNCj4gInRhbGsiIGluIHRlcm1zIG9mIGNvbm5vdGF0aW9ucy4gIlNheSIgYW5kICJ0YWxr IiBhcmUgYWxtb3N0IHBlcmZlY3QNCg0KPiBtYXRjaGVzIGZvciAiY3Vza3UiIGFuZCAidGF2bGEi LCBzaW5jZSB0aGV5IHRha2UgdGhlIHNhbWUga2luZCBvZg0KDQo+IGFyZ3VtZW50cyBhbmQgZXZl biB0aGUgb3JkZXIgb2YgdGhlIGFyZ3VtZW50cyBpcyBhcyBpbiBFbmdsaXNoICh3aGljaA0KDQo+ IGlzIG9mIGNvdXJzZSBub3QgcmVhbGx5IGEgY29pbmNpZGVuY2UpLg0KDQoNCg0KPiBtdSdvIG1p J2UgeG9yeGVzDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KPiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSBmcm9tIHRoaXMgbGlzdCwgc2Vu ZCBtYWlsIHRvIGxvamJhbi1saXN0LXJlcXVlc3RAbG9qYmFuLm9yZw0KDQo+IHdpdGggdGhlIHN1 YmplY3QgdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIG9yIGdvIHRvIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubG9qYmFuLm9yZy9sc2cyLywg b3IgaWYNCg0KPiB5b3UncmUgcmVhbGx5IHN0dWNrLCBzZW5kIG1haWwgdG8gc2VjcmV0YXJ5QGxv amJhbi5vcmcgZm9yIGhlbHAuDQoNCg0KDQo= --001636c5b1bca206170481d7b22d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think of them as "assert" and "converse" (cusku and t= avla respectively).

Any objections there?


On Ma= r 15, 2010 2:15pm, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Jones eyeonus@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
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> > 2010/3/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas jjllambias@g= mail.com>
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> >> Wh= y does the verbal connotation of "say" bother you so much, but th= e
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> >> same verbal connotation of "talk"= doesn't?
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> > Do you ha= ve a better suggestion for tavla than talk? Because I don't.
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> No, I think "talk" is the best o= ne-word gloss for "tavla", just as
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> "say= " is the best one-word gloss for "cusku". I don't think = "say" and
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> "talk" are too similar (= they are no more similar than "cusku" and
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> &q= uot;tavla"), and I don't think their vocal connotation is so stron= g that
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> people won't realize that they can use them= for non-vocal contexts.
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> "S= peak" would be my second choice for "tavla", but it is worse= than
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> "talk" in terms of connotations. "= ;Say" and "talk" are almost perfect
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> mat= ches for "cusku" and "tavla", since they take the same = kind of
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> arguments and even the order of the arguments = is as in English (which
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> is of course not really a coin= cidence).
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> mu'o mi'e xorx= es
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