From wetblu!uunet!cs.NYU.EDU!est Sat May 19 06:06:54 1990 Return-Path: Received: by marob.masa.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.7) id ; Sat, 19 May 90 06:06 EDT Received: by wetblu.hollander.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.12) id ; Sat, 19 May 90 06:20 EDT Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA27391; Sat, 19 May 90 05:24:00 -0400 Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore Jan 13 1990) id AA08691; Sat, 19 May 90 04:32:54 EDT Received: by snark.uu.net (smail2.3) id AA22178; 19 May 90 00:46:38 EDT (Sat) Received: from CS.NYU.EDU by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with SMTP id AA18728; Fri, 18 May 90 09:43:54 -0400 Received: by cs.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06252; Fri, 18 May 90 09:43:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 May 90 09:43:37 -0400 From: wetblu!uunet!cs.NYU.EDU!est (Eric Tiedemann) Message-Id: <9005181343.AA06252@cs.NYU.EDU> To: snark!lojbab, snark!lojban-list Subject: Re: Yary Hluchan, est, and the use of the list Status: RO To: lojban-list@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Yary Hluchan, est, and the use of the list Date: 18 May 90 00:34:58 EDT (Fri) From: cbmvax!snark.uu.net!lojbab@uunet.UU.NET I therefore STONGLY OBJECT to est's comments/suggestions that 1) Yary's questions were in any way stupid, or should not have been posted to the net 2) that anyone with questions should send them to one private person I'm deeply hurt by this misrepresentation, especially from someone with whom I talked for over an hour on apparently friendly terms just two hours before he sent it. The closest thing to (1) I can find in my message is, "Yes, some of us know about modern programming." I know that some people (not me) would find this condescending. Perhaps I should have put a smiley face after it. I simply wanted to forstall an overly detailed conversation before Yary had the information he so obviously needed. To say that Yary's questions are primarily the product of ignorance of things about which he could easily inform himself if sent the OVERVIEW in its current form (however unsatisfactory it may be to lojbab) is not to ascribe *any* character flaw to him--certainly not stupidity. Anyhow, surely my references to the parser technology actually used count for something. Above all, I wanted to get the information he needed to Yary as quickly as possible. Has he been sent the OVERVIEW as I suggested? I hope so. You know, in the printed version of _la lojban mo_ as of September 1989, LLG offered to e-mail both the OVERVIEW and the grammar . Perhaps it should be posted, in pieces, to lojban-list for discussion if that's what lojbab wants. As for (2), I don't see how you get to it from, "Feel free to ask further questions in private mail or send me messages for review before you post them to lojban-list." I made an offer, and it stands. There are no must's, should's or even please's in it. I do believe that some questions should be asked, at first, of one person. For example, I will not forward every single question asked in the two classes I'm starting to the net. Let's be reasonable. I'm glad lojbab didn't find major substantive corrections to make of my posting, and surprised he didn't take issue with my bitter comments about LLG policy. The grammar will not be posted till after LogFest. It is too unstable (and the version that est had and tried to post was obsolete by the time he got it... 36 hours after he sent it! This doesn't sound like a very inclusive standardization process. More--much, much more--on that later. -est