From marob!hombre!think.com!gls Fri Dec 14 17:53:34 1990 Received: by magpie.MASA.COM (smail2.5) id AA00881; 14 Dec 90 17:53:33 EST (Fri) Received: by marob.uucp (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Sat, 15 Dec 90 15:36 EST Received: by hombre.MASA.COM (smail2.5) id AA01301; 15 Dec 90 15:55:38 EST (Sat) Received: from Mail.Think.COM by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19840; Fri, 7 Dec 90 17:54:42 EST Return-Path: Received: from Verdi.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Fri, 7 Dec 90 17:53:50 -0500 Received: from ukko.think.com by verdi.think.com; Fri, 7 Dec 90 17:54:20 EST From: marob!think.com!gls (Guy Steele) Received: by ukko.think.com; Fri, 7 Dec 90 17:54:19 EST Date: Fri, 7 Dec 90 17:54:19 EST Message-Id: <9012072254.AA06577@ukko.think.com> To: marob.masa.com!cowan Cc: snark.thyrsus.com!lojban-list In-Reply-To: John Cowan's message of Wed, 28 Nov 90 14:13:47 EST Subject: Lojban Stability Status: RO From: cowan@marob.masa.com (John Cowan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 90 14:13:47 EST There is fear abroad in Lojbanistan, it seems. People are afraid to write things in the language, to use the language, because what they write or say may become "obsolete": it may change meaning, be judged ungrammatical by a new revision of the machine grammar, or may be plain wrong. This fear inhibits the genuine development of the language, which consists not in TINKERING with vocabulary lists or YACC descriptions, but in speaking, reading, writing, and understanding generally.... [emphasis added] ".. late in the nineteenth century ... more drastic and visionary projects were propounded: one or another artificial language, designed from scratch for simplicity of grammar and ease of acquisition. "There had been two prophetic efforts in that direction already in the seventeenth century ... These efforts were prompted rather by utopian visions of rational semantics and syntax than by any current crisis in international communication, for Latin still lingered ... "[In 1880, German priest J. M. Schleyer] launched his international auxiliary language, Volapu"k ... In nine years Volapu"k spanned the civilized world, spawning 285 Volapu"k societies and boasting a million initiates. Then it began to splinter into rival dialects fashioned by devotees who had ideas or creative urges of their own. "People who rise with enthusiasm to language reform are apt to be just the ones with a taste for tinkering and innovating; and thus, ironically, an artificial international language approaches its intended universality only to crumble into a new Babel of its own." ---W. V. Quine "Quiddities: An Intermittently Philosophical Dictionary" (entry "Artificial Languages", page 9) The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts (1987). --Guy Steele