Return-Path: id AA06673; Thu, 18 Apr 91 09:27:04 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Apr 91 09:27:04 EDT Message-Id: <9104181327.AA06673@grackle.UUCP> To: ai-lab!nsn@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au Cc: ai-lab!lojban-list@snark.thyrsus.com In-Reply-To: ai-lab!nsn%mullian.ee.mu.oz.au's message of Thu, 18 Apr 91 12:46:43 +1000 <9104180246.29217@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: oops! correction Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!gnu.ai.mit.edu!grackle!bob From: cbmvax!uunet!gnu.ai.mit.edu!grackle!bob Sender: cbmvax!uunet!gnu.ai.mit.edu!grackle!bob Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Thu Apr 18 18:29:37 1991 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!ai.mit.edu!grackle!bob I wish you would not run your cmavo together. I find them hard to read. Simplicity is best for me now. Also, I would really appreciate interlineal translation with grammatical categories and sample alternative words in the same category. eg dei pamoi sel finti this-utterance is-first-among 1st/2nd-->..invented-by..(for-use..) KOhA GOhA SE BRIVLA roda piromei se catlu everything is-a-whole ..looked-at-by... mi vau je jufra I/me end-bridi tanru-and sentence-about..in-language.. KOhA VAU JA mi'o vau jo me-and-others if-and-only-if sense-stimulus..under-conditions fi la lojban 3rd-place name FA DESCRIPTION_112 fi loi se gusni mass-of what-is-illuminated On another subject, nsn%mullian.ee.mu.oz.au comments: Um.. urgh. You mean, every time I omit the subject (first sumti) of a selbri, I have this Observative connotation, with respect to the ommited? Eek. Yep. The observative grammer turns out to be very interesting. It means that you can talk to young children very easily: i. ko catlu le mlatu i. mlatu i. gerku vau There is even a hypothsis lurking around for someone to test that the observative is a primary gramatical category and that the basic concepts of a language are learned through the observative (you can develop this from some of thw rok reported by Lakoff). anyone out there deviate from SVO1O2O3O4 in order to get elisions I try to avoid anything complicated; for me it is hard enough to learn the attitudinals. I am still muddled about how to use the GOhA lexeme I like sentences like this: A table has four legs. A table is be-legged by by four somethings. lo jubme cu se tuple vo da The man sits on a chair. le nanmu zutse lo stizu The chair sits on the floor. The chair stands-on- surface floor. le stizu cu spana lo loldi The man looks at a lake le nanmu cu catlu lo lalxu The cat is sleeping. le mlatu cu sipna The cat is resting/laying on a sofa. le mlatu cu spana lo sfofa The several books rest on the shelf. le so'o cukta cu spana lo kajna