Return-Path: Message-Id: From: snark!cowan Apparently-From: snark!cowan Subject: Re: Three grammar questions To: cbmvax!uunet!math.ucla.edu!jimc Date: Wed, 8 May 91 14:43:13 EDT In-Reply-To: <9105071507.AA12755@luna.math.ucla.edu>; from "math.ucla.edu!jimc" at May 07, 91 8:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Wed May 8 14:46:14 1991 X-From-Space-Address: snark!cowan la djim. kartr. cusku di'e: > 1. la bantas. mlatu -- Bantha is a cat. > Is /cu/ required, or conversely, is "bantas. mlatu" (Bantha > runner?) a tanru? Or is this suppressed merely because the first > term is a name? "cu" is not required, and this is not a tanru. Names are acceptable in only two contexts in Lojban (other than inside quotes, of course): "la bantas." = "the-one-named Bantas" "doi bantas." = "O Bantas!" You can substitute any member of COI for the "doi", provided there is a separating pause; you can also omit the COI/DOI altogether at the beginning of text. > 2. la bantas. cu klama fi le stizu mi -- Bantha goes from the chair to > me? or via me? After an explicit caselink, following unnumbered > sumti fill unoccupied cases in order, or numbers after the > explicit one? The official answer is "numbers after the explicit one". The word "caselink" is bogus, bogus, bogus! Even accepting the term "case" as a substitute for "place", these don't link anything. "{case,place} marker" is more like it. > 3. ko'a stizu -- it is a chair (from lesson 2). Am I correct that this > is technically incorrect since ko'a has not been assigned an > antecedent with goi? Correct would be ti goi ko'a /cu/ stizu Yes, this is incorrect. Ko'a-series pro-sumti are meaningless until assigned. > 4. All of us had a lot of resistance to the pauses after names, > particularly zo lojban. I even told them (incorrectly) that it > is a lujvo. (My excuse: I'm used to thinking of N as a vowel.) ko cortu zo'o -- cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban