Return-Path: Return-Path: id ; Wed, 8 May 91 16:44:02 EDT Message-Id: <9105082044.AA14268@dino> Date: Wed, 8 May 91 16:44:02 EDT From: cbmvax!uunet!dino.ulowell.edu!gryphon (Coranth) To: lojban-list@snark.thyrsus.com Subject: Comments about culture/religeon... Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Wed May 8 19:30:39 1991 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!dino.ulowell.edu!gryphon coi rodo li'u cowan@snark.thrysus.com writes: > "jegvo" and "dadjo" > Currently, these words (whose keywords are "Jehovah" and "Tao") are really > cultural adjectives, meaning "x1 is Judeo-Christian-(Muslim), x1 is a > God-believer" and "x1 is Taoist" respectively. This is very useful in > tanru, on a par with the other cultural gismu. > However, it seems to me that there is a case for remaking them as normal > gismu, using the full 6-language algorithm, for different concepts: > x1 is God > x1 is the Tao Let me add my own comments. I do not think that "xriso" should be a gismu, since it used most as a name, not the title that it originally was. "xrist." is sufficient. If you need the title, build it. "xebro" should also include the Jewish religeon as well as the culture, if Moslem does. I also consider "semto" to be redundant. I agree that "dadjo" should refer to the Tao, and I think that's what the entry in the gismu lust says. I would expand the meaning to be: x1 is the Tao as practiced by x2 with characteristics x3 But I think that either "jegvo" stays, with the meaning listed: x1 is the supreme being of the Judeo-Christian-Muslim family specifically of religeon/faction x2 It already is a normal type of gismu, simply listed in the cultural section by grouping, the same as "budjo" refers to the Budda, not Buddhism. The latter should be expanded to: x1 is the Buddha/Boddhistva over sphere x2 Or more generically (for "xriso", "budjo" and "jegvo") : x1 is the supreme being of mono-theistic religeon x2 x1 is an elightened one of religeon x2 over sphere x3 I also think that the following place should be added to "cevni" : x1 is a diety/god of religeon x2 over sphere x3 Sphere of influence being the primary way of classifying dieties in polytheistic pantheons. I would also suggest that either as cultural gismu "Pagan" or as the following normal gismu be added: x1 is a pagan/polytheist/animist of reliegon x2 with rank/status x3 And to deal with another issue, we need the generic term: x1 is a native aboriginal of place/culture x2 from tribe x3 This taking care of the Lapps, Native Americans, Eskimos, Ainu of Japan Australian Aboriginals, African native tribes, etc... Just as a general note, between le'avla and cmene, most of the cultural gismu can go away an be replaced by generics. lu'u co'o rodo la korant.