From cbmvax!uunet!ee.mu.OZ.AU!nsn Tue Jul 30 23:46:42 1991 Return-Path: From: cbmvax!uunet!ee.mu.OZ.AU!nsn Message-Id: <9107310251.AA22252@munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU> To: lojban-list@snark.thyrsus.com Cc: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU Subject: 3rd place for kumfa Organisation: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Melbourne Smiley-Convention: %^) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 91 12:51:47 +1000 Status: RO From: gryphon@dino.ulowell.edu (Coranth) To: lojban-list@snark.thyrsus.com Subject: bathroom... >"Assume that there is a third place for "kumfa" (room). A bathroom would be >"lumci terkumfa" (if I'm using the tanru correctly) The 3rd place is not at all unsensible. But the tanru is quite wrong. A bathroom is still a room, and not a "purpose for a room", which is what a {terkumfa} is. Thus the tanru remains lumci kumfa but now it expands readily as kumfa befi loinu lumci I believe we must stress expanding tanru as a paedagogical exercise. Consider that, in lojban, not only do we claim that all concepts (including) le'avla can be expressed with 1300-odd place structures, 65 BAI, and 30-odd tense markers (already bold), but also, if one is even remotely dikni in their lujvo formation, that all compounds' place structures are combinations of the aforementioned rescources. This to me is a somewhat bold assertion, which needs testing. The tendency to expand on request is a good test of this sort. Heard that Elvis Presley's last words were "Honey, I'm going to have a shit", mistaking his OD for a bowel movement? You didn't? Cultural taboo at work, my fellow lojbanis %^) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nick S. Nicholas, "Rode like foam on the river of pity Depts. of CompSci & ElecEng, Turned its tide to strength University of Melbourne, Australia. Healed the hole that ripped in living" nsn@{mullian.ee|mullauna.cs|ecr}.mu.oz.au - S. Vega, Book Of Dreams _______________________________________________________________________________