Return-Path: Message-Id: <9110030536.AA03329@relay1.UU.NET> Date: Thu Oct 3 07:46:25 1991 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!pucc.princeton.edu!nsn Sender: Lojban list From: cbmvax!uunet!pucc.princeton.edu!nsn Subject: I hate {ku} X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-Cc: nsn@ee.mu.oz.au To: John Cowan , Ken Taylor , List Reader Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Thu Oct 3 07:46:25 1991 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 09:43:48 -0400 From: Logical Language Group Subject: response #1 to Jim Carter >jimc writes: >syntactically, but not semantically. The "ku" closes "loi birje", and the >relative clause attaches shortest scope. So you've said: >soso lo botpi be loi birje ku no'u soso lo botpi be loi birje >99 bottles of <[the mass of Beer] = 99 bottles ... Did I ever mention I hate {ku}? That's why we'll have to see a lot more of {be'o} used in the language. Oh, there is another candidate dikyjvo pattern that one may use when giving up the ghost and totally unable to further reduce the damn thing: the "I give up and die" analysis: for any two gismu a and b, let the lujvo b-a have the arguments a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 b1 b2 b3 b4 b5. A pattern to be discouraged, as it baloons out of control very quickly. But sometimes, inevitable. (I suppose it's a special case of "parallel" dikyjvo). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nick Nicholas, Melbourne Uni, Australia. nsn@{munagin.ee|mullauna.cs}.mu.oz.au "Despite millions of dollars of research, death continues to be this nation's number one killer" - Henry Gibson, Kentucky Fried Movie _______________________________________________________________________________