Return-Path: Message-Id: <9110111354.AA20886@relay1.UU.NET> Date: Fri Oct 11 13:57:40 1991 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Lojban duplications X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan , Ken Taylor , List Reader In-Reply-To: jimc%MATH.UCLA.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu's message of Thu, 10 Oct 1991 15:32:49 -0700 Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Fri Oct 11 13:57:40 1991 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Jimc talks about whether a bridi contains (elliptically) all possible BAI and FIhO BRIVLA phrases. I'd say that it's a bad move to consider them all to be there. For starters, it would totally obviate the distinction that's trying to get made between "klama" (come/go) and "litru" (travel) and "cliva" (leav) and whatever else. How does "mi klama zo'e le zdani" (I go to somewhere-unspecified from the house) differ from "mi cliva le zdani [seka'a zo'e]" (I leave the house [going-to someplace unspecified])? And what would "mi klama le zdani [bau zo'e]" (I go to the house in-language unspecified) mean? It's one thing that we can express such things in Lojban; there's no rule against speaking nonsense or obscure things. It's another to tell me that I can't say that I go to the house without implying that my going is somehow in an unspecified language. Or even sillier, consider the BAI word "me'e" (with-name). So the predicate of my going home somehow has a name. Moreover, it also *is* a name (seme'e), and gives a name (teme'e). And I haven't even gotten to FIhO SELBRI stuff yet. No, I think it's a bad plan, jimc. ~mark