Return-Path: Message-Id: <9112182340.AA09530@relay2.UU.NET> Date: Wed Dec 18 19:39:34 1991 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!gnu.ai.mit.edu!pucc.PRINCETON.EDU!bob Sender: Lojban list Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was bob@GRACKLE.STOCKBRIDGE.MA.US From: cbmvax!uunet!GNU.AI.MIT.EDU!pucc.PRINCETON.EDU!bob Subject: feminism X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: Logical Language Group's message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 18:23:46 -0500 <9112172330.AA06891@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Wed Dec 18 19:39:34 1991 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Lojbab asked for reader inferred place structures for the following: loi nimjizdunkri loi nimnaujizdunkri Before reading the rest of his message I came up with: nimjizdunkri x1 is a ninmu jinzi dunli krici woman type-of intrinsic-property type-of equality-property type-of believer and nimnaujizdunkri x1 is a ninmu nanmu jinzi dunli krici woman-man type-of intrinsic-property t-of equality-property t-of believer both of which are very close to what Lojbab intended I infer. I agree with lojbab that a reader of such a sentence [incorporating these lojban words] would easily be able to understand the lujvo and its place structure. I think that the problems people fear are based on theoretical possibilities rather than what happens in cooperative, everyday conversation. By the way, for those who want to try the experiment, here are the definitions from the 9/90 gismu list: ninmu nim ni'u woman women x1 is a woman/women; x1 is a female person (not necessarily adult) nanmu nau man x1 is a man/men; x1 is a male person (not necessarily adult) jinzi jiz innate x1 is an innate/inherent/intrinsic property/quality of x2 dunli dun du'i equal x1 is equal to x2 in/on property/quality/dimension/quantity x3 krici kri believe creed x1 believes that x2 is true