From cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Thu Jan 30 08:09:01 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Thu, 30 Jan 92 08:09 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA19196; Thu, 30 Jan 92 08:05:35 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26537; Thu, 30 Jan 92 06:35:08 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA23565; Thu, 30 Jan 92 06:05:55 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA02620; Thu, 30 Jan 92 01:43:29 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20359; Thu, 30 Jan 92 01:35:32 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA30793; Thu, 30 Jan 92 01:34:21 EST Message-Id: <9201300634.AA30793@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0478; Thu, 30 Jan 92 01:29:08 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7182; Thu, 30 Jan 92 01:28:39 EST Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1992 17:49:29 GMT Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!C.J.Fine Sender: Lojban list From: CJ FINE Subject: Re: Wallops #5 (tranche 2) X-To: nsn@MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.au X-Cc: Lojban list To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: ; from "nsn@AU.OZ.MU.EE.MULLIAN" at Jan 26, 92 8:29 pm Status: RO More comments on Nick's Germanos translation (quite a bit less in the second half) > .i > mi fau lenu loi se gugdrnetiopia cu claxu lo cutci cu.e'u se vencu ri gi'e > dunda ri ra .ifaubo lo se gugdrnetiopia banai bajryjvi fi la maraton. I have a lot of trouble interpreting .iBAIbo, so I'm not sure if this is confusing or just whether I don't know how to read it. But I didn't get the concessive sense of this. > .imumai vi se cmima ro zajbrnatleta poi se gugde lo te nizyxa'u befi li > za'ubipimuki'oki'o .ili'a le namcu no'u li bipimuki'oki'o cu curve snuti > .i na srana lo steci gugde .i mi puzika'e cusku lu pare li'u .onai lu pamu li'u > .iku'i seja'e lenu mi cusku lu bipimu li'u cu.e'u za'ubipimuki'oki'omei "le namcu li'o cu curve snuti"? Understandable, but not precise. Really ought to have a "lenu" in there. ".i mi puzika'e" - again I don't get a counterfactual sense. "puzipu'o" would be better, but I suspect that "da'i" is better still. "za'u8.5,000,000mei" - this looks like a shorthand that doesn't work. The original context of the numeral was not an anything-mei, so observing now that something is a something-mei does not work. what's wrong with ".e'u li 8.5,000,000"? >.i mi ca'a vimcu le gugdrbrito .e le gugdrdotco . . . "ca'a"? This is all counterfactual - I don't know whether you can use this in that context or not. > .iku'i mi [ji'u dinri .e lenu ra caku xalbo .e lenu caku na dukse citka ganse]>]>]>] cu.e'u cmima > le somoi I had to put all the above grouping in to be sure, but I think your ".e"'s attach to the wrong place. That was fun! Kolin c.j.fine@bradford.ac.uk