Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Sun, 26 Jan 92 07:43 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA29011; Sun, 26 Jan 92 07:12:41 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19586; Sun, 26 Jan 92 05:27:53 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA06961; Sun, 26 Jan 92 04:54:32 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA07513; Sun, 26 Jan 92 01:35:37 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA24282; Sun, 26 Jan 92 00:45:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9201260545.AA24282@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2794; Sun, 26 Jan 92 00:44:20 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3497; Sun, 26 Jan 92 00:42:42 EST Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1992 16:41:36 +1100 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!nsn Sender: Lojban list From: cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!nsn Subject: NUhI X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-Cc: nsn@ee.mu.oz.au To: John Cowan Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Sun Jan 26 07:43:14 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Mark Shoulson asks: >There is, to my knowledge, no way to conjoin numbered places or BAI >_phrases_ (not just BAIs) with anything other than an implied "and".. There is. That is NUhI's job. NuhI unfortunately seems to be the best kept secret in the grammar (I believe Lojbab explained it to me only accidentally). >mi ga darxi do bai la bab. gi darxi do ki'u lenu do palci >I [either/both] hit you compelled-by Bob [or/and] hit you justified-by >the-event: you're evil. mi darxi do nu'i bai la bab. nu'u.a ki'u lenu do palci or in forethought: mi darxi do nu'iga bai la bab. (nu'u)gi ki'u lenu do palci It seems uncolloquial, doesn't it? But it's there. What we need is for John to come up with an example phrase for each BNF rule. Well, just a thought, John :) >But shouldn't it make sense that I >should be able to say something along the lines of: > >*mi klama fejonaifi le zdani be mi >*I go/come to-xor-from the house-of-me Tell you the truth, I think it should. This is another of the features sure to explode the machine grammar when more fluency eventuates. We humans work on analogy, make an analogy between BAI and FA, and as a result simplify the grammar conceptually, but probably complicate its mechanics. User beware. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nick Nicholas, Melbourne Uni, Australia. nsn@{munagin.ee|mullauna.cs}.mu.oz.au "Despite millions of dollars of research, death continues to be this nation's number one killer" - Henry Gibson, Kentucky Fried Movie _______________________________________________________________________________