Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Sat, 25 Jan 92 12:39 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA14477; Sat, 25 Jan 92 12:11:54 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA01611; Sat, 25 Jan 92 11:30:22 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA26162; Sat, 25 Jan 92 10:38:11 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA11023; Sat, 25 Jan 92 10:10:40 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA23761; Sat, 25 Jan 92 09:54:53 -0500 Message-Id: <9201251454.AA23761@relay2.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2270; Sat, 25 Jan 92 09:53:42 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1862; Sat, 25 Jan 92 09:53:05 EST Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1992 01:52:49 +1100 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!nsn Sender: Lojban list From: cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!nsn Subject: On The Edge X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-Cc: nsn@ee.mu.oz.au To: John Cowan Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Sat Jan 25 12:40:00 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN >di'e te fanva le se sanga beme'e zoi .gy. On the Edge .gy. > beifi'e la kolin. fain. be'o ri me'e lu > cate'e lo ckape >li'u I don't like names hanging loose in predications (I remember having this argument, or one very similar, with Mark Shoulson six months ago). I'd prefer {peme'e} to {beme'e}, and {gi'e se cmene lu cate'e lo ckape} (actually, I think {tcita} rather than {cmene} might become more common in that context.) You know about {te'e}? Must have a look at the latest PLS ma'oste. >ti'eni'o That's {tu'e} > .ije pensi ledu'u ma rinka This is a direct question, meaning "And you're thinking WHAT causes?!" The intent cannot be phrased succinctly in Lojban: {ma} must be replaced by {zo'ekaunai}, or say {pensi la'elu ma rinka} > .i seltatpe gunka filemu'e jimpe seltatpi, and I'd say carmi gunka for work hard > .i .iacu'i djica da ze'upu so'i nanca > .ije ca'o se srana da To eliminate all ambiguity, replace {.ije} with {gi'e} > .i nu cfari seri'i le slilu cnidi cidni Well expressed, but I'm getting a bit worried with this obsession with observatives. I prefer VSO, myself (.i'idoi mark. zo'oru'e) Nick.