Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Mon, 27 Jan 92 19:09 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA15004; Mon, 27 Jan 92 18:57:25 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19994; Mon, 27 Jan 92 17:46:42 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA10877; Mon, 27 Jan 92 17:19:33 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA06531; Mon, 27 Jan 92 16:58:57 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA06599; Mon, 27 Jan 92 15:25:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9201272025.AA06599@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 5049; Mon, 27 Jan 92 15:24:29 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0585; Mon, 27 Jan 92 15:23:53 EST Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1992 17:16:35 GMT Reply-To: CJ FINE Sender: Lojban list From: CJ FINE Subject: Re: Numeral strings: we need your help! X-To: iad@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk X-Cc: Lojban list To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: ; from "Ivan A Derzhanski" at Jan 26, 92 2:43 pm Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Mon Jan 27 19:09:41 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Ivan Answers: > > > I vote against {re pai} for `2 times pi'. > > Times dropping is just syntactic sugar adopted in traditional > mathematical notation, a convention that doesn't have to hold in any > other formalism, and indeed does not in any algorithmic language that > I can think of. We just insert those asterisks. > > The argument that it is shorter isn't worth much. It is not in the > spirit of Lojban to be concerned about brevity. I'd be more than > happy to put a left bracket in front of `2 times pi people'. (Damned > if I see why I would want to talk of them, though.) > > This is not to say that {re pai} shouldn't have a reasonable meaning. > I think it should mean `20 plus pi', just as {re pa} means `20 plus 1'. > > I propose {ci ka'o vo} as the way to say `3+i4'. (I'm used to write > "i" before the imaginary part anyway, so {ka'o} will translate > directly to `plus i times'. > > Ivan > I agree completely Colin c,j,fine@bradford.ac.uk