Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Fri, 31 Jan 92 10:30 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA07754; Fri, 31 Jan 92 10:05:17 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07377; Fri, 31 Jan 92 09:38:59 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA10901; Fri, 31 Jan 92 09:38:45 EST Message-Id: <9201311438.AA10901@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 3494; Fri, 31 Jan 92 09:36:29 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 6582; Fri, 31 Jan 92 09:36:12 EST Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1992 09:35:57 EST Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Buffer vowel and "y" X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: David Cortesi's message of Thu, 30 Jan 1992 17:56:44 TZONE Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Fri Jan 31 10:30:32 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN >Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1992 17:56:44 TZONE >From: David Cortesi >For the sake of us linguistic weenies, could somebody cite some >common English (or French maybe) words that demonstrate this sound? >(It isn't French "deux" or German Goe"te is it?) No, it's the sound in French "tu" or "vu" (as in "dej'a vu"). I haven't found it to exist in American English, except in borrowings (I think it (or a sound much like it) is used in South African English). It's sort of like putting your lips in position of "u" and the rest of your mouth in position for "i". ~mark