Return-Path: Message-Id: <9201091741.AA28139@relay2.UU.NET> Date: Thu Jan 9 13:40:44 1992 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: logical connection X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: <9201090853.AA17694@relay1.UU.NET>; from "CJ FINE" at Jan 8, 92 6:22 pm Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Thu Jan 9 13:40:44 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN la kolin. fain. cusku di'e > In a logical connection with an unspecified sumti, are the branches of > the connection to be construed with the SAME value for the sumti or are > they independently unspecified? Hitherto this point has been discussed but not setlled. I believe that pragmatics dictates the "independently unspecified" interpretation, and that to get the same value an explicit "da" is needed. > i.e. If > mi klama la lidz. .e la bradfrd. > is true, it follows that > mi klama la lidz. zo'e .ije mi klama la bradfrd. zo'e > but does the stronger claim follow that > su'oda zo'u mi klama la lidz. da .ije mi klama la bradfrd. da I think this example shows clearly why not. "klama" actually has five places, so mi klama la lidz. .e la bradfrd. means mi klama la lidz. e. la bradfrd. zo'e zo'e zo'e If this is construed as mi klama la lidz. da de di .ije mi klama la bradfrd. da de di in order to be sure that the origin (da) is the same in both bridi, then we are put in the silly position of insisting that the route (de) must also be the same for both destinations! Thanks for providing this example. -- cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban