From cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Thu Feb 13 19:39:19 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Thu, 13 Feb 92 19:39 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA25687; Thu, 13 Feb 92 18:55:36 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA00924; Thu, 13 Feb 92 18:48:34 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA01722; Thu, 13 Feb 92 18:48:29 EST Message-Id: <9202132348.AA01722@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7921; Thu, 13 Feb 92 18:47:09 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5576; Thu, 13 Feb 92 18:46:06 EST Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1992 15:10:06 PST Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!rand.org!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!jim Sender: Lojban list Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was jim%mycroft@RAND.ORG From: Jim Gillogly Subject: Re: "New York" To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:30:46 +1200. <9202132233.AA05268@rand.org> Status: RO > Chris Handley writes: > Jim writes > > > >I was annoyed back when China decided that English-speakers were > >henceforth to write the name of their capital as Beijing instead of > >... > >language. If even London can get transformed to Londres, why not > >everything? > > > Nonsense! This is a carry over from the Imperial view that English > speakers had of the world in the 19th Century - if someone does not > understand, just talk louder. Germans do not know where Munich is, Nonsense yourself! Nothing to do with how important I and other anglophones (or esperantophones or lojbanophones) think English (or Esperanto or lojban) is, but rather an assertion that the speakers of a language have the right to decide what *they* call things. Naturally I wouldn't expect a German to know what I meant when I said Munich in English (if I were speaking German I'd use the German name), *but* neither would I expect a Frenchman to try to wrap his tongue or syntax around London instead of Londres. Nothing imperialistic there... > recognise Pittsbr@. It goes further - is my former country South > Africa or Azania, is my present country New Zealand or Aotearoa? Good question -- let's decide! Tch:uss... Jim Gillogly