From cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Thu Feb 6 16:26:20 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Thu, 6 Feb 92 16:26 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA23564; Thu, 6 Feb 92 16:24:11 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA24434; Thu, 6 Feb 92 15:55:55 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA11827; Thu, 6 Feb 92 15:55:56 EST Message-Id: <9202062055.AA11827@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 4406; Thu, 06 Feb 92 15:54:29 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0381; Thu, 06 Feb 92 15:53:37 EST Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1992 08:52:33 GMT+1200 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!otago.ac.nz!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!chandley Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Handley Subject: Re: bende - baseline change proposal request for comment X-To: LOJBAN%CUVMA.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann Status: RO Hi [Stuff deleted] >This seemed quite satisfying until we tried to deal with a keyword. >We don't change keywords lightly - that is a baseline change. But >'orchestra' becomes too limited and misleading a keyword for the >expanded concept. The original clue word used in the etymology was >"band" but this is ruled out as a misleading keyword - there are >too many meanings for 'band', some of which are covered by other >gismu. I suggested "team", but this has similar conflicts with >"gunma", another kind of 'team'. Gang has a pejorative and more >limited sense to English speakers - I can't see people talking >about going to see the music-gang play Beethoven. > [More deletions] >Thus - summarizing the questions: > >1. Should "lidne" be changed to keyword "precede"? > I vote yes. >2. Should "bende" be generalized beyond musical groups? > I vote yes. >3. Should "bende" be rearranged to put the leader place in x1? > I vote no. >4. What should the keyword be if only 2 is adopted? > I checked my thesaurus and came up with company, corps, outfit, party, troop, troupe, assembly, bevy, body, bunch, covey, group, detachment, detail, cluster. covey, crew. Chris Handley chandley@otago.ac.nz Dept of Computer Science Ph (+64) 3-479-8499 University of Otago Fax (+64) 3-479-8577 Dunedin, NZ