From cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Tue Feb 11 08:49:26 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Tue, 11 Feb 92 08:49 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA23549; Tue, 11 Feb 92 07:58:18 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA04986; Tue, 11 Feb 92 07:48:51 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA01030; Tue, 11 Feb 92 07:10:25 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA17399; Tue, 11 Feb 92 06:12:54 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA03566; Tue, 11 Feb 92 05:07:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9202111007.AA03566@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1111; Tue, 11 Feb 92 05:06:45 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1790; Tue, 11 Feb 92 05:06:10 EST Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 09:22:12 GMT Reply-To: CJ FINE Sender: Lojban list From: CJ FINE Subject: Re: bende - baseline change proposal request for comment X-To: lojbab@GREBYN.com X-Cc: Lojban list To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: ; from "Logical Language Group" at Feb 5, 92 11:57 am Status: RO lojbab: > > One obvious question is whether a band leader is necessary to have a > band. Probably an orchestra does, but to the vast majority of music > groups performing nowadays have a bandleader/conductor - no. In passing, I would dispute this. The vast majority of music groups do have a leader, in the sense that there in one player who brings them in together, and brings them off together. Sometimes this will only be for one piece, and somebody else leads a different piece, but ko'a is still a leader. [This does not affect your main argument] > > Thus - summarizing the questions: > > 1. Should "lidne" be changed to keyword "precede"? Yes > > 2. Should "bende" be generalized beyond musical groups? Yes > > 3. Should "bende" be rearranged to put the leader place in x1? Yes > > 4. What should the keyword be if only 2 is adopted? squad > > 5. What should the keyword be if both 2 and 3 are adopted? director > > 6. For those who have written texts in the language, have you made any > usage of bende that would suggest a constraint on the decisions? Would > any of these changes be helpful/harmful in improving things that you > might want to express? No relevant experience kolin c.j.fine@bradford.ac.uk