Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Tue, 11 Feb 92 08:49 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA23572; Tue, 11 Feb 92 07:58:22 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05007; Tue, 11 Feb 92 07:48:56 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA01028; Tue, 11 Feb 92 07:10:25 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA17365; Tue, 11 Feb 92 06:12:46 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12482; Tue, 11 Feb 92 05:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9202111006.AA12482@relay2.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1080; Tue, 11 Feb 92 05:05:15 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1740; Tue, 11 Feb 92 05:04:46 EST Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 09:17:37 GMT Reply-To: CJ FINE Sender: Lojban list From: CJ FINE Subject: Billions X-To: lojbab@GREBYN.com X-Cc: Lojban list To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: ; from "Logical Language Group" at Feb 5, 92 11:01 am Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 11 08:49:28 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN lojbab to Dave: > > 3. With all due respect to the British, the megdo and gigdo gismu and their > relatives are based on the metric prefixes, and I hope that a British > Lojbanist will use ci gigdo rather than ciki'o megdo. We make more use of the metric system here than in the US, I think, so insofar as anybody uses Giga- and Mega-, they are familiar here. (I happen to think that anything outside Mego- to micro- is a worthless accretion to the metric system, but that is another matter). The only (possible) problem is in the translation - if you gloss "gigdo" as "billion" rather than "Giga-": but actually, thanks to American cultural imperialism ;-) and the fact that billion = 1E9 is more useful in the modern world, that ambiguity now exists in everyday British life, with most people (including the influential newspapers) following what was formerly American usage, and those who cannot bring themselves to use the term in that way avoiding it altogether. [On the subject, I have only ever come across phrases like "quintillion" in American popular science books - I believe they are vacuous, as the only thing directly conveyed to me by the choice between "quintillion" and "quadrillion", say, is that the one is bigger than the other - since both are in the realm that I cannot comfortably hold in my mind, the distinction is nugatory. End of rant] kolin c.j.fine@bradford.ac.uk