Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Sat, 15 Feb 92 05:03 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA03595; Sat, 15 Feb 92 04:46:37 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA22294; Sat, 15 Feb 92 02:33:14 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05324; Sat, 15 Feb 92 02:15:27 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA26169; Sat, 15 Feb 92 02:13:02 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA18546; Sat, 15 Feb 92 01:53:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9202150653.AA18546@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0295; Sat, 15 Feb 92 01:52:24 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3503; Sat, 15 Feb 92 01:52:01 EST Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1992 21:51:31 -0800 Reply-To: "F. Schulz" Sender: Lojban list From: "F. Schulz" Subject: h as buffer vowel X-To: uunet!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!lojban@uunet.UU.NET To: John Cowan Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Sat Feb 15 05:03:47 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN I have trouble pronouncing nasal+homoorganic clusters. I find dinju and rinju impossible because of the bad -inj- cluster. I tend to convert inj -> indj no matter how careful I am. My first solution was to map inj -> imj as I always find nasal+nonhomoorganic easy to say. Going thru the gismu list I find mj in some words, so this is out. My next try is putting in a buffer vowel. This sounds bad, since I have trouble compressing the buffer vowel to have small duration. My next try is to use the consonant h as a buffer. So I say din'ju and rin'ju which works really well. h is forbidden except between vowels, so no confusion results. With practice, I can make the h extremely brief, so the listener will not hear what I am doing. The h is of much shorter duration than the one between vowels. Also there is no fricative component, just devoicing and a puff of air to blow away the unwanted d. Since d is voiced, devoicing is an antagonist for the d. Frank Schulz ( fschulz@pyramid.com )