Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Wed, 26 Feb 92 20:43 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA15075; Wed, 26 Feb 92 20:10:45 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13348; Wed, 26 Feb 92 19:49:49 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04430; Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:47:03 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA07586; Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:37:32 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19157; Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:16:23 -0500 Message-Id: <9202262316.AA19157@relay2.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 3753; Wed, 26 Feb 92 17:58:27 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 8317; Wed, 26 Feb 92 17:57:41 EST Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 17:03:39 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: dates X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Wed Feb 26 20:43:32 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN The principal reason fro dates being ordered as day/month/year in our standard teaching materials, and in the place structure of detri, is that, regardless of 'significance' in the sense of largest amount/period, the most significant information typicall conveyed about the date is the day - we usually know and don't need to express the month. Thus when you ellipsize, you leave out first the AD/BC, then the year, than the month, then the day. Lojban places great importance on unambiguous ellipsis, and generally assumes that the most important-to-express information comes first, and that ellipsis takes place on the end. To have year first, you would need some kind of place holder, or some very arcane and complex convention (like we have in English) for interpreting dates. (THis is a problem not just in language of course. My data base system wants all dates to have a day month and year explicitly expressed. I record people's contacts to me by date when available, but sometimes have only a month in my notes. Thus I have to 'invent' a day to fill in. I don't like this, and if I want to meet you on the 28th, I don't want to have to say in Lojban that I will meet you on the -/-/28th).) lojbab