Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:47 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA15080; Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:43:39 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14255; Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:38:28 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA23726; Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:38:27 EST Message-Id: <9202141538.AA23726@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8728; Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:36:58 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 8230; Fri, 14 Feb 92 10:36:23 EST Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1992 10:28:00 EST Reply-To: "61510::GILSON" Sender: Lojban list From: "61510::GILSON" Subject: "New Zealand" X-To: lojban To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Fri Feb 14 10:48:00 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Chris Handley writes: >is my present country New Zealand or Aotearoa? When Chris sings his current country's national anthem, it is certain to me that he sings "God Defend New Zealand." When a Maori sings the words in his own language to the same tune, he ends with the word "Aotearoa." So obviously it is both, since citizens of the country call it both. Now the further ques- tion is, what should I call it if I'm speaking another language. Now it is clear that if I'm speaking French, I call it Nouvelle Ze'lande -- or nobody who speaks French understands me. If I, speaking English, refer to Junggwo, nobody understands me as talking about China. In Lojban, of course the Lojbanis have a right to call New Zealand anything they choose. But I feel that the example of the French -- translate "New" but render "Zealand" as best they can in their own language -- is appropriate. Bruce