Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Tue, 11 Feb 92 22:36 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA20196; Tue, 11 Feb 92 18:05:20 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20669; Tue, 11 Feb 92 15:46:08 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA30079; Tue, 11 Feb 92 15:46:05 EST Message-Id: <9202112046.AA30079@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2821; Tue, 11 Feb 92 15:44:39 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7645; Tue, 11 Feb 92 15:44:09 EST Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1992 08:44:04 GMT+1200 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!otago.ac.nz!cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu!chandley Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Handley Subject: Re: Semantics X-To: LOJBAN%CUVMA.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 11 22:36:44 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Mark: >This is just the "color" argument in not-very new clothing. To an >English speaker, "green" and "blue" are as different as could be >wished, but a language foo speaker might have the same word and not >see the difference. Even so the distinction between "cold-water" >and "hot-water" where English uses just "water". *Any* language, >and any conlang, has to draw its line, and that line will be >arbitrary, and that's just the way it is. > There are, as you say, always going to be problems mapping semantic spaces on to each other. English and Dutch have about 300 different words for things that float on water and carry people and/or goods; most other languages have fewer than a dozen. What this means is that the foo/lojban/foo dictionary will have to be produced by native foo speakers, who will have to decide how to do the mapping in terms of foo. Chris Handley chandley@otago.ac.nz Dept of Computer Science Ph (+64) 3-479-8499 University of Otago Fax (+64) 3-479-8577 Dunedin, NZ