Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Tue, 11 Feb 92 15:09 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA05018; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:55:43 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA04110; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:55:12 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA22015; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:55:12 EST Message-Id: <9202111955.AA22015@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2580; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:52:50 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 6963; Tue, 11 Feb 92 14:52:30 EST Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 14:23:57 EST Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: proposed extension to grammar X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: <9202101856.AA29253@relay2.UU.NET>; from "And Rosta" at Feb 10, 92 6:42 pm Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 11 15:09:56 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN la .and. rost. poi brito cusku di'e > I had hitherto assumed that cmene are direct labels for individuals - that > cmene have referents but no senses. Another way of putting it: the > extension of a cmene is a single individual (or a named set), but not > a set of individuals each separately denoted by the cmene, although > a cmene may have several alternative extensions. Restrictive modification is used to pick out which of the alternative referents is wanted. Thus: la .and. poi brito restricts the meaning of "la .and." to one or more that are British. Note also the difference between "la girz." and "lai girz." and "la'i girz.": "la girz." is something(s) named "Girz" (possibly a set, "girzu"). "lai girz." is the mass of things named "Girz". "la'i girz." is the set of things named "Girz". lai djonz. klama le mi zdani The-mass-of-those-named "Jones" come-to my house. means that some member(s) of the Jones family (or other group) came. -- cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban