From cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Tue Mar 24 08:56:44 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 92 08:56 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA19879; Tue, 24 Mar 92 03:03:20 EST Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA16178; Tue, 24 Mar 92 02:08:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9203240708.AA16178@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.Princeton.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8036; Tue, 24 Mar 92 02:07:57 EST Received: by PUCC (Mailer R2.08 ptf012) id 1203; Tue, 24 Mar 92 02:07:45 EST Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1992 17:04:51 +1000 Reply-To: cbmvax!uunet!MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU!nsn Sender: Lojban list From: cbmvax!uunet!MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU!nsn Subject: And's problem phrases X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-Cc: nsn@ee.mu.oz.au To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann Status: RO Challenges And: >Since we're on the subject, I'll put another challenge to Lojbab & Co. >Translate the following. >1 Man is mortal. > [from this we get the syllogism > Socrates is a man. > Therefore Socrates is mortal.] roda poi remna cu morsi .i la sokrates. remna .iseni'ibo la sokrates. morsi >2 Man is immortal. > [from this we DO NOT get: > Socrates is immortal.] pisu'oloi remna na morsi? Yes, this is cheating, but it does sorta work... >3 The witchcraft trial lasted for 5 days. [generic] > [W was a witchcraft trial. > Therefore W lasted for 5 days. - Yes.] lenu pajni lei pruxypre cu djedi li mu >4 The witchcraft trial lasted for 5 centuries (and was then abolished). > [W was a witchcraft trial. > Therefore W lasted for 5 centuries. - No.] lenu fasnu fa loi nu pajni loi pruxypre cu ctona'a li mu (lenu nu pajni cu ctona'a li mu ?) >5 Sophy jogged for an hour each day. [habitual] lenu la sofis. bajra cu cacra li pa ca ro djedi >6 Sophy jogged for five years (but then gave up). la sofis di'i bajra ca'o lo nanca be li mu ( la sofis bajra di'i lo nanca be li mu ?) >7 Sophy jogged for an hour each day for five years. lenu lenu la sofis. ca'a bajra cu cacra li pa ca ro djedi cu nancu li mu Of course, And, I know these answers completely miss the point (and are probably very very wrong). The reason I'm posting them is to get someone else to say something better. These look like material for the massification paper John may yet right; but the Sophy examples may deserve mention in the tense paper. For now, count them as yet another not-yet-formally-specified part of Lojban grammar. John? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nick Nicholas, Melbourne Uni, Australia. nsn@{munagin.ee|mundil.cs}.mu.oz.au "Despite millions of dollars of research, death continues to be this nation's number one killer" - Henry Gibson, Kentucky Fried Movie _______________________________________________________________________________