From cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN Mon Mar 9 15:09:08 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:08 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA06468; Mon, 9 Mar 92 14:12:12 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19195; Mon, 9 Mar 92 11:18:49 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05081; Mon, 9 Mar 92 10:31:53 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA02250; Mon, 9 Mar 92 10:17:15 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (via uunet.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21382; Mon, 9 Mar 92 09:34:53 -0500 Message-Id: <9203091434.AA21382@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2724; Mon, 09 Mar 92 09:33:26 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2930; Mon, 09 Mar 92 09:32:42 EST Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 08:15:30 CST Reply-To: Rick Miller Sender: Lojban list From: Rick Miller Subject: Good luck... you'll *need* it. X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: RO Hi y'all. I've been following for a while, and making an attempt to learn to babble logically, but to little avail. Then, as I was browsing the archives, I thought I'd take a look at Esperanto. I wish you all the very best of luck with lojban, and I hope you all succeed in warping your brains with it, :-) :-) but I guess it's just not what I was looking for. Lojban is *not* easily learned, no matter *how* regular its grammar. The convolutions (convulsions?) one must go through to obtain the proper meanings are so strenuous that they by far outweigh the 'simplicity' of the structure. It reminds me of programming in LISP... Sure, the underlying principles are simple but it's unnatural, artificial, far too alien from the way people really think. For me, I'll try my hand at Esperanto. I can already successfully compre- hend better than 80 percent of the conversation on soc.culture.esperanto, and I'm only on SESTA LECIONO! :-) I also found that my goals for learning another language are more in line with the purpose(s) of Esperanto. (That is, my brain is twisted quite well already, thank-you-very-much.) [Bob: Don't bother sending me the standard mail-stuff, thanks anyway.] Bye y'all. ((((BTW: Where do I get a green star? :-)))) Rick Miller