From cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Fri Mar 6 12:50:17 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:50 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA11193; Fri, 6 Mar 92 12:16:56 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12327; Mon, 2 Mar 92 12:34:18 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA19593; Mon, 2 Mar 92 12:34:21 EST Message-Id: <9203021734.AA19593@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1634; Mon, 02 Mar 92 12:32:31 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5281; Mon, 02 Mar 92 12:32:09 EST Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1992 11:16:04 GMT Reply-To: CJ FINE Sender: Lojban list From: CJ FINE Subject: Re: bulgarian spring X-To: iad@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk X-Cc: Lojban list To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: ; from "Ivan A Derzhanski" at Mar 2, 92 9:04 am Status: RO To answer Ivan answering Frank querying Ivan > > > > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1992 16:33:58 PST > > From: fschulz@COM.PYRAMID > > > > <...> "preblgaria" stops me cold. Vowel > > ending, consonant cluster, must be brivla. > > The cluster {blg} can't occur in brivla, because {lg} is not a > permissible initial. I intended this to be the reason for the word to > be recognised as a le'avla. I'm not quite sure it works this way, but > if it doesn't, I'm confident someone will speak up, and suggest an > alternative. > > Ivan > With my familiarity with Lojban and the contextual information that you were writing aout Bulgaria, I would probably have worked this one out - i.e. recognised it as a le'avla. But I'm not happy with your justification. At one time (actually dating from JCB's "Great Morphological Revolution" years ago) there was a very complicated set of rules for le'avla, which amounted to "if it's a brivla and doesn't lex as a lujvo, then it must be a le'avla". As far as I know this is still officially the situation, and your le'avla is probably valid. (I say 'probably' because the problem with this le'avle rule is the contortions necessary to ensure that it is in fact unambiguous). I much much prefer the simple rule presented in JL 12 or so by which every le'avla is of the form -r- (or -l- or -n- for the link if necessary) In this scheme your le'avla would be pernrblgaria kolin fain