Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Thu, 19 Mar 92 07:04 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA10214; Thu, 19 Mar 92 07:01:46 EST Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA27410; Thu, 19 Mar 92 06:39:35 -0500 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA20912; Thu, 19 Mar 92 06:10:15 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA07530; Thu, 19 Mar 92 06:05:54 EST Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13203; Thu, 19 Mar 92 04:05:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9203190905.AA13203@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.Princeton.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7959; Thu, 19 Mar 92 04:04:54 EST Received: by PUCC (Mailer R2.08 ptf012) id 3710; Thu, 19 Mar 92 04:04:39 EST Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1992 19:19:59 GMT Reply-To: CJ FINE Sender: Lojban list From: CJ FINE Subject: Re: A pair of how-do-i-say-it's X-To: cowan@snark.thyrsus.com X-Cc: Lojban list To: John Cowan In-Reply-To: ; from "John Cowan" at Mar 18, 92 9:42 am Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Thu Mar 19 07:04:29 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvma.bitnet!LOJBAN John Cowan: > > It's simply a convention of the language that " bu'a" within a > prenex quantifies over the relationship; it's not semantically parallel to > "ro prenu". To make it otherwise would require magic behavior where "bu'a" > worked like a sumti within the prenex and like a selbri elsewhere, and > the grammar simply isn't up to such tricks. You should think of "ro bu'a" > as parallel to "ro da". In a sense, that "magic behaviour" is exactly what you HAVE got - not that "bu'a" is changing its selma'o, but that the sequence "ro bu'a" has a completely different semantics - as you say, parallele to "ro da" - in a prenex from anywhere else. kolin