Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 92 07:10 EST Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA05946; Mon, 9 Mar 92 06:12:47 EST Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA06332; Mon, 9 Mar 92 03:14:58 -0500 Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA11077; Mon, 9 Mar 92 03:15:06 EST Message-Id: <9203090815.AA11077@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2300; Mon, 09 Mar 92 03:13:27 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1738; Mon, 09 Mar 92 03:13:01 EST Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 08:10:00 GMT Reply-To: Ivan A Derzhanski Sender: Lojban list From: Ivan A Derzhanski Subject: Place names To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: nsn@AU.OZ.MU.EE.MULLIAN's message of Mon, 9 Mar 1992 13:35:06 +1000 <19789.9203090335@cogsci.ed.ac.uk Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Mon Mar 9 07:10:18 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 13:35:06 +1000 > From: nsn@AU.OZ.MU.EE.MULLIAN I won't point out the cases where you need to capitalise a non-penultimate vowel in a cmene to show stress. I suppose you are aware of them. > ckiper - ckiperia *or* albania - albanias: la tiranas _Albania_ is not the Albanian name for Albania. It shouldn't be used. > xelvetik - xelvetia: la bern, la jenev Um, this is the country's name in a _dead_ language. Are you sure you want it this way? > beljik - belji (what's the Flemish form again?) *or* > belgik - belgia: la brusel No "*or*". The Flemish _Belgije"_ is somewhere between {bElgi,ie} and {bEl,ii,ie}. > sverig -sverige: la stokxolm > norges - norge: la oslos _Sverige_ is actually pronounced {svEri,ie}, and I suspect that _Norge_ might be pronounced {nor,ie}. > magiar - magiara: la budapect Make that {madiar}. It's closer. > nigerias - nigeria: la lagos > (I really wouldn't favour naidjirias) Why? English is the official language. (There are 400 languages spoken in Nigeria. Maybe we should make a list of what the country is called in all of them, and come up with 400 lojbanised names.) Ivan