From cbmvax!uunet!CUVMA.BITNET!LOJBAN Tue Jun 9 17:36:12 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 92 17:36 EDT Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA27172; Tue, 9 Jun 92 16:40:28 EDT Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA00283; Tue, 9 Jun 92 15:55:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9206091955.AA00283@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.Princeton.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2380; Tue, 09 Jun 92 15:22:07 EDT Received: by PUCC (Mailer R2.08 ptf024) id 8016; Tue, 09 Jun 92 15:21:45 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1992 12:59:35 EDT Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: a textual present from Tuesday night. Improvements sought. X-To: Lojban List To: John Cowan , Eric Raymond , Eric Tiedemann In-Reply-To: <9206081912.AA02617@relay1.UU.NET>; from "Ivan A Derzhanski" at Jun 7, 92 11:56 am Status: RO X-Status: la .iVAN cusku di'e > > le selsanga cu mo > > I'd take that {cu} out. Can't. Since "mo" has the same grammar as a brivla, it will form a useless tanru with "selsanga". > > <> > > Damn. That's the {N nuntse X Y} from {X zutse Y}, right? Where in > the grammar does it say that this is the way {nunP} works (shifting > P's arguments one place forward and freeing x1 for the event itself)? It doesn't, yet, but it will. See forthcoming paper on abstraction. All of the abstraction rafsi work this way: nunklama = x1 is the event of x2 going to x3 from x4 via x5 using x6 which is why there have to be ways of extending SE and FA to handle za'umu places. -- cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban