From cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.bitnet!LOJBAN Mon Jul 27 13:38:52 1992 Return-Path: Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.19) id ; Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:38 EDT Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA29598; Mon, 27 Jul 92 11:53:55 EDT Received: from rutgers.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA09436; Mon, 27 Jul 92 11:26:37 -0400 Received: from cbmvax.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA01886; Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:45:28 EDT Received: by cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (5.57/UUCP-Project/Commodore 2/8/91) id AA21244; Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:19:00 EDT Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14576; Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:07:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9207271407.AA14576@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.Princeton.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2887; Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:05:43 EDT Received: by PUCC (Mailer R2.08 ptf034) id 0260; Mon, 27 Jul 92 10:04:43 EDT Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:03:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Two ideas, before I forget X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: RO Hey, all. Just got back from Israel yesterday, and haven't even skimmed the 117 mail messages I have waiting for me (*knew* I should have unsub'ed from more mailing lists....), but I wanted to get these proposals off my brain first. 1) A new cmavo in selma'o CAI (isn't it nice to see a proposal that doesn't involve a new selma'o?), to indicate "I'm not telling you where I stand on this scale." We currently use {cu'i} for this sometimes, translating {pe'icu'i} as "I don't necessarily opine", but really it means "I'm between opining this and not." You could argue that simply not having a UI for the scale would accomplish the same purpose, but it really wouldn't. Often you want to note explicitly that you're not passing judgement, indicating approval, agreeing, etc. Imagine a newscaster, for instance. Or in the case of names made from selbri, like calling Israel {la censa gugde}. Using {la} does indicate that you don't necessarily really mean the selbri, but even so a {pe'ia'a} (for {xa'a}=my cmavo) would be nice. 2) A fairly pointless suggestion for now, but it might come in handy: expand cmavo space to include [C]V'VV forms. Thus, {*ma'oi}, {*.a'ei}, etc. These are no less pronouncable than anything else, and I don't see why they should be excluded. 'Course, we're not out of cmavo yet, so there's not much use for it.... (BTW, why don't I even see any cmavo of for xVV or xV'V? They're not even listed as UNK (unassigned) forms!). OK, more when I've seen what's going on... ~mark