From cowan Mon Jul 27 16:34:04 1992 Subject: Archaic Lojban To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu (Lojban List) From: John Cowan Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:34:04 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Message-ID: In his rafsi report, lojbab mentions that "brivla" was once "ridvla". I thought I would give some other examples of archaic Lojban that actually saw the light of day in JL. Disclaimer: Of course, none of these is good Lojban today. In the case of old lujvo, a different meaning ("fairy-word" for "ridvla") would be assumed. In addition, the cmavo have only become stable much more recently, so archaic cmavo usages are not listed here. JL4:33 (glossary, s.v. "primitive") has "gicmu" for "gismu". Oddly, lojbab tells me this was the "correct" word generated by the 6-language algorithm, but erroneously changed during manual transcription. JL5:4 (glossary) has "minmi" for "cmene". This was changed before baselining to get a better rafsi. JL5:4 also contains "ridvla" for "brivla" and "na'evla" for "le'avla". "na'e" is now the rafsi for "natfe" = "deny". JL5:24 uses "culgo", which was the Lojban equivalent of Loglan "gotso" = "go". Further analysis showed that "go" and "come" differ only in the speaker's point of view, so "culgo" was eliminated. JL5:31 (news) refers to "la lojbangirz." as "la lojbangrup.". Apparently, "girzu" was once "grupV" with some unknown vowel. Not a whopping list of archaisms (English puts Lojban to shame here) but showing that our project, or even the post-1988 part of it that bears the name "Lojban", is not entirely devoid of history. -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.