Return-Path: Message-Id: <9208280042.AA12650@relay1.UU.NET> Date: Fri Aug 28 03:29:09 1992 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: RE: gadri X-To: I.Alexander.bra0122@oasis.icl.co.uk X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Fri Aug 28 03:29:09 1992 X-From-Space-Address: cbmvax!uunet!cuvmb.bitnet!LOJBAN lo remna voi ratcu does talk about real people, whom you are describing as rats, but the restriction of voi is 'specific' to what the speaker has in mind, so, like "le", the result is more restrictive than, say, lo remna poi ratcu, assuming that there really are humans that are rats. Hmm. Lets use an example that makes sense. lo remna voi xabju la lndn. are people who are human, but who are a specific subset that is described as living in London. The specificity could be limited to only 1 person. lo remna poi xabju la lndn. gives any or all of the set of those living in London, and thus a listener might presume an everyday soul among the millions who live there, but you have someone particular in mind. Putting this sumti into a sentence claim thus would give different results. Hope this helped some. lojbab