From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Mar 6 23:01:10 2010 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 25 Sep 1992 12:10:12 -0400 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5635; Fri, 25 Sep 92 12:08:56 EDT Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 7411; Fri, 25 Sep 92 12:08:55 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:58:55 +0100 Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Subject: Re: TECH(?): can everyone write impeccably grammatical Lojban? X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Fri, 25 Sep 92 16:08:26 A.) Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Fri Sep 25 12:10:17 1992 X-From-Space-Address: @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: Ivan: > > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:21:50 +0100 > > From: And Rosta > > > > Mark: > > > {zoi .gy. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs .gy.} is > > > grammatical Lojban, but then "He said, 'Ani holech l'beit ha-sefer.'" is > > > grammatical English, and equally unhelpful in getting accross the > > > import of what's quoted. > > > > But "He said 'What you name is'" would all get processed by the English > > speaking hearer, even tho the quote needn't be grammatical or English. > > > > My point is that although computers might most likely skip zoi stuff, > > I think people wouldn't. > > Ahh. That is, there is such a thing as ungrammatical_but_meaningful > English, but not ungrammatical_but_meaningful Lojban? > > That may be a point. > > And. Atsor > .iVAN. .iksnajred. This is what I was getting at. Obviously most of the Lojban written at the mo is in practise ungrammatical but nevertheless communicative but in principle I suppose the technical lojbo line is that if it's ungrammatical then it's not Lojban. As Ivan no doubt knows better than me, the distinction is sometimes (usually? always?) made between a *parser* and (don't know the technical comput ling term) a *grammaticality tester*. A grammaticality tester looks at a sentence & if it's grammatical gives you its structure(s), or, if it's ungrammatical just tells youtopiss off. By contrast, a parser strives tocome up with ananalysis whatever the input. My ignorant & half-baked impression ofLojban isthat it isconstrcted for a Grammaticality Tester & not for a Parser. So basically if you elide one terminator too many or whatever you've had it. --- And