From @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Sep 24 13:53:26 1992 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:53:22 -0400 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9751; Thu, 24 Sep 92 13:52:05 EDT Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 3611; Thu, 24 Sep 92 13:49:23 EDT Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 18:33:33 BST Reply-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Subject: Re: TECH.CHALLENGE: Pangram (was: Letters ...) To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: Assuming Mark's rules, but avoiding letterals or hesitation: There are 17 consonants and only 5 vowels. All brivla are more consonant-rich than all cmavo So use as many brivla as possible. Ignoring, {.'y}, the best you can get with gismu only is 3 consonants/2 vowels, ie 6 words, total length 30. Using 2 CV cmavo instead of one gismu improves to 29. dzipo gluta fere baxso ckini jmive "(they're) antarctic gloves of two Malay-relative living things" To add the missing symbols: {.} uses up one or two vowels - either I or UI {'} uses up two vowels can combine these in UI, or in a cmavo or lujvo {y} requires a lujvo 1) Minimising use of lujvo: Two strategies suggest themselves: either use a consonant-rich lujvo CVCyCCV and use UI for the other two: .V'V CVCyCCV = 4C, 4V, 11 altogether or use a CVCyCV'V lujvo and a V cmavo: .V CVCyCV'V = 3C, 4V, 10 altogether The latter is shorter, but since the total number of different consonants is 2 mod 3, will require two cmavo, giving a total length of 34, against 33 for the first strategy. Therefore the minimal solution with only one (two-element) lujvo is of form .V'V CVCyCCV CV gismu gismu gismu gismu (order completely free) eg .e'u zadyfra pa baxso ckini jmive gluta (33 characters) "Let's react more to a Malay-related living thing's glove!" 2) Allowing free use of lujvo CVC rafsi have the highest consonant/vowel ratio, so the answer is clearly going to involve one or more long lujvo with lots of CVC's. Obvious strategy is (CVC)*n-CV'V = 2n+1 consonants, n+2 vowels, Thus with ".i" at the beginning (can't use any other V word unless we have some sumti), and one juncture requireing "y", we get .i CVCCVCCVCCVCCVCCVCCVCCVCyCV'V (31 characters) eg .i cabjagnixtulroskazdempafyva'i "The currently-resulting girl's-leg prose has the quality of dense father value" (or something) (Once you've got the structure, they're easy to concoct, and I've no doubt somebody can come up with better ones) Colin