From @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Fri Sep 18 00:37:44 1992 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 18 Sep 1992 00:37:43 -0400 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1358; Fri, 18 Sep 92 00:36:36 EDT Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 1831; Fri, 18 Sep 92 00:36:34 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 00:36:47 -0400 Reply-To: "(Logical Language Group)" Sender: Lojban list From: "(Logical Language Group)" Subject: Re: TECH.QUERY: zo bancu cu mo zo zmadu leka smuni X-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: There are situations where "beyond" is appropriate but where "more than" is at least confusing. Nora gave me the example "The tree is beyond the fence". But what is the tree more than? You could say that the tree's distance from you is more than the fence's distance from you (but if the fence is an irregular curve, ther emay be parts of the fence that are farther from you than the tree is, so you have to be careful about wording). Nora notes that in some sense, all indications of degree are subject to this argument. Why do we need "less than" since we have "more than"? Does "barda" have any meaning without something that it is bigger than (JCB argued this and put the smaller thing in the place structure; we recognized that something can be recognized as large without necessarily having a particular smaller thing to be compared with.) lojbab