From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Mar 6 23:01:46 2010 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 18 Sep 1992 00:29:13 -0400 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1328; Fri, 18 Sep 92 00:28:06 EDT Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 1650; Fri, 18 Sep 92 00:28:05 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 00:27:33 -0400 Reply-To: "(Logical Language Group)" Sender: Lojban list From: "(Logical Language Group)" Subject: Re: GEN + TEXT:INT - phone communications X-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Fri Sep 18 00:29:15 1992 X-From-Space-Address: @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: to/toi is used for any kind of parenthetical note. Because it can take any grammatical text, it tends to be used for lengthy parentheses, and for notes or addenda on the text. sei/se'u is used only for metalinguistic comments on the text, which is not nearly as broad a category as any comment whatsoever. One can think of sei/se'u as the editorial brackets thatr sometimes appear in quoted text, surrounding "sic". sei/se'u allows for indefinite expansion of discursives, to which the construct is related (and indirectly to attitudinals). Because sei/se'u constructs are limited to an SOV sentence or a bare selbri, it can be more readily inserted in a sentence without worrying about remembering to terminate it - the se'u is almost always elidable. The two major reasons they were added were for editorial 'unquote' for inserting paraphrases inside a quotation where some text is omitted editorially (the editorial bracket [] is usually used here in American text), and for the similar 'drop out of quote' used in literary conversation reporting: "The window "The window", she said, pointing down the hall, "is open". We found this stylistic pattern in Saki's "Open Window", and upon investigation found that many languages allow sentences in quotes to be broken up like this to insert the "he said/she said", and metalinguistic comments, in the middle. The other reason for for pure metalinguistic comments that are difficult to convey in any other way. The use of dei in a sei/se'u construct is metalinguitic reference to the current utterance NOT INCLUDING the metalin- guistic parenthetical. lojbab