From @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Oct 29 05:02:51 1992 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 29 Oct 1992 10:04:40 -0500 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7509; Thu, 29 Oct 92 10:01:41 EST Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 5974; Thu, 29 Oct 92 10:01:39 EST Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 10:02:51 -0500 Reply-To: "(Logical Language Group)" Sender: Lojban list From: "(Logical Language Group)" Subject: re ponse X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: I'm not sure exactly what ponse means, but I can say that it is fairly broad and not limited to legal possession. I believe ckaji handles most situations of properties, so that ponse is limited to 'things'. I've always viewed ponse as including physical possession wothout legal possession, but as being somewhat more restricted than loose association per srana/pe. The other related word not mentioned in this discussion is steci, wherein something is limited to the 'possession' of anopther to the exlcusion of other possibil- ities (or association). But I think two people can ponse the same thing, though in different ways. You may legally own it, but I may be physically possessing it, or sitting on it (if a chair, for example). lojbab