From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Mar 6 22:44:42 2010 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:32:44 -0500 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4832; Wed, 04 Nov 92 12:29:38 EST Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 9949; Wed, 04 Nov 92 12:29:37 EST Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:27:28 GMT Reply-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Subject: TEXT (translation) - Mutual defence To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Nov 4 17:27:28 1992 X-From-Space-Address: @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: <53Z7BBwWzDK.A.CTE.at0kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Here at last is the original of the piece that andruc posted the other week. "Not long before the war the familiar doctrine was stated by a British cabinet minister at a great meeting in Manchester in some such terms as these: 'There is just one way in which we may have peace and be secure; and that is to be so much stronger than any potential enemy that he will not dare attack us. This I submit is a self-evident proposition.' "Whereupon a thousand or so hardheaded businessmen of Manchester cheered to the echo. The poposition they were cheering was that two nations likely to quarrel would keep the peace and be secure when each was stronger than the other. It is possible that most, on second thoughts, would be brought to see that the principle does indeed defy arightmetic, but the vast majority would be sincerely astonished if it were suggested that this method of defence also defies morals, is based upon a flat denial of right, in the sense that each denies to the other the right he claims for himself. "By that policy a nation, in order to be secure in its defence, has to be stronger than its potential enemy. Then what becomes of the dfefense of that other? Is he to have none?" Norman Angell (1933). In "The Words of Peace" - Selections from the Speeches of the Winners of the Nobel Peace Prize, ed. Irwin Abrahams. New York: Newmarket Press, 1990