From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Mar 6 22:59:59 2010 Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:47:10 -0500 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8268; Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:43:31 EST Received: from UGA.BITNET by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) with BSMTP id 3648; Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:43:30 EST Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:40:33 +0000 Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Subject: Re: TECH: new ZAhO suggestion X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 11 16:40:33 1992 X-From-Space-Address: @uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: I interpret Colin's xaho as involving the following bits of meaning: (1) referring to an initial portion (not point) of a (telic) event or (2) referring to an initial portion of an atelic event, such that the portion referred to may in fact constitute the entire event. Or, more generally, the meaning refers to an event that is initially bounded, but not specified for whether it is finally bounded. Perhaps this could be loosened up to refer to any atelic portion of an event, in which case what we get is simply imperfective aspect. But note that in Colin's example I've made three pots so far "making 3 pots" is viewed as a portion of a larger event. In English _I am making 3 pots_, which is also imperfective, one is referring to a portion of the event of making 3 pots. > Also usable for ages: > > mi xa'o nanca li cizepini'uso'o > (I up-to-now) am-in-years the-number 37-point-minus-a-bit Quite. He 'live' 20 yrs - perfective: 'he lived for only 20 yrs' - imperfective-A: 'he lived for at least 20 yrs' - imperfective-B+perfective: 'he is in the middle of a life of 20 years' duration' - imperfective-B+imperfective-A: 'he is in the middle of a 20-year portion of his life' And. ------- End of Forwarded Message