From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Fri Dec 18 17:11:37 1992 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:35:09 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5338; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:34:35 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3645; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:33:47 EST Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:11:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: TECH (naive) X-To: Lojban List To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9212172231.AA07279@relay1.UU.NET> from "And Rosta -850" at Dec 17, 92 07:36:10 pm Status: O X-Status: Message-ID: <36amyRSk0bI.A.YcC.Q80kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> la .and. rost. cusku di'e > If > se gives x2 x1 x3 > te gives x3 x2 x1 > then is it the case that > se te gives x2 x3 x1 > te se gives x3 x1 x2 > and > te se te and se te se both give x1 x3 x2 > ? Yes, on all counts. In practice, the only use of iterated SE is of the form "setese", and then only very rarely. The x1 place has special significance in Lojban because of its use in descriptions, but there is little benefit to building selbri with the other places scrambled. For mere expression of the sumti in a non-standard order, without affecting the selbri semantics, use the numeric place tags fa, fe, fi, fo, fu. -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!cbmvax!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.