From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Tue Dec 22 04:44:56 1992 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:47:29 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4030; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:46:51 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6798; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:46:08 EST Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:44:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: TECH: se, te, & lujvo X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: And Rosta's message of Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:30:21 +0000 Status: O X-Status: Message-ID: >(i) seljerna should be stipulated as synonymous with se jerna (unlike >lujvo formed from tanru) >or >(ii) there ought to be a way of coining a lujvo whose x1 is an idiomatic >variant of the x1 of the source gismu (if seljerna has an x1 that is >an idiomatic variant of the x2 of the source gismu). Check me if I'm wrong: this sounds like a revival of the dikyjvo proposal. You want a defined way of showing how the lujvo form (selbroda) relates to the "tanru" form (se broda). It's the same ambiguity problem I had a while back with {selpinxe}, which was used in the tanru {selpinxe ckafi} to mean "beverage coffee", taking {selpinxe} to mean {na'o se pinxe}, while I understood it as {caca'a se pinxe}, that is, "drunk coffee". It's dikyjvo all over again; deal with that as you like. ~mark