From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Mon Feb 1 11:04:02 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 1 Feb 1993 06:24:13 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3892; Mon, 01 Feb 93 06:22:47 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2786; Mon, 01 Feb 93 06:24:37 EST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 11:04:02 GMT Reply-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Subject: Re: TECH: empathy in attitudinals (proposal) To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: > John Cowan stood up, stood up some more, and spoke thus: > > The empathy attitudinal is something whose time has come: do it, John, > do it! > > As for an attitudinal: would {mi'i} be too confusing, as a reminder of > {mi}? Or {do'i} for that matter as a variant of {do}? mi zo'u .aucu'i > > I remind Colin that {xe'e} is already taken (the list of Xv'v cmavo I posted > a while back. In fact, John, isn't it worth looking through them, and > selecting what should go into the canon?) {jaido'e} will do, as Mark > pointed out, for the proposed {xe'e}, and the complications he draws > attention to do give me pause... I didn't bother to check on "xe'e" - I regard them as essentially short-term experiments. If they go into the canon they won't be Xvv forms. I've no objection to "jaido'e", but it doesn't do what I originally wanted (*le xe'e tanru). Mark's discussion on multiple roles is interesting, and opens some important questions (actually, more distributivity issues). I was taking it that *le xe'e tanru could legitimately mean something like *le pa xe'e tanru ku jo'u le pa xe'e tanru i.e. combining into one description two different things that could be separately described as *le xe'e tanru. I am not sure whether this is legitimate or not. le bersa is permitted to mean le pa bersa be .abu. jo'u le pa bersa be .by li'o i.e. the selgadri with ellipted tergismu can distribute over different sumti. mi'e kolin