From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:54:52 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 05:12:23 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2556; Thu, 18 Mar 93 05:11:13 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6464; Thu, 18 Mar 93 05:12:28 EST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 10:11:01 GMT Reply-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Subject: Re: TECH: more about *mo'u To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-From-Space-Date: Thu Mar 18 10:11:01 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: > From jimc@edu.ucla.math Wed Mar 17 16:48:22 1993 > To: C.J.Fine@uk.ac.bradford > Cc: cowan@com.thyrsus.snark > Subject: Re: TECH: more about *mo'u > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 08:37:18 -0800 > From: jimc@edu.ucla.math > Content-Length: 1240 > > > > Colin Fine writes that in the construction {mi bebau la lojban casnu} > > > > That's "pebau" > > Are you sure -- is this a grammar change I missed during my absence? > I'm analysing it like this: Hmmm, there's a complication, and I'm > sending a copy to John Cowan for clarification. Let's start by parsing > "le mlatu be? bau la lojban" = the Lojban cat. In the following, upper > case indicates words digested in this step; () indicates words digested > in previous steps; {} indicates words remaining to be parsed. > > sumti-5<99> = KOhA # | etc. | (LA | LE) sumti-tail /KU#/ | etc. > LE {mlatu be bau la lojban} > sumti-tail<113> = [sumti-4] [quantifier] selbri | etc. > (le) {mlatu be bau la lojban} > selbri-5<151> = selbri-6 [linkargs] | etc. > (le) {mlatu} {be bau la lojban} > selbri-6<154> = BRIVLA # | etc. > (le) MLATU {be bau la lojban} > linkargs<160> = BE term ... > (le mlatu) BE {bau la lojban} > term<81> = sumti | (tag | FA #) (sumti | /KU#/) | etc. > (le mlatu be) {bau} {la lojban} > tag = BAI (through several steps and alternatives) > (le mlatu be) BAU {la lojban} > > So far, so good. But the original phrase was "mi be? bau la lojban". > *How do you get a linkargs onto a KOhA?* (Including "pe "?) > > -- jimc > le mlatu bebau la lojban is perfectly good: le mlatu be bau la lojban \ term / \ linkargs / \ selbri / \ sumti / but "be" is only useable within a selbri. You can however attach a term to any sumti with "pe" (or "ne") le mlatu pe bau la lojban \sumti / \ term / \ sumti / The first adds/specifies a tergismu of the selbri before applying the gadri; the second restricts or comments on the whole sumti. Colin