From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Mar 18 09:00:26 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 04:00:25 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2468; Thu, 18 Mar 93 03:59:15 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6170; Thu, 18 Mar 93 04:00:32 EST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 09:00:26 GMT Reply-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: I.Alexander.bra0125@OASIS.ICL.CO.UK Subject: RE: Comments from pc on various issues X-To: cowan@snark.thyrsus.com X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O Message-ID: > le ka da broda I've changed my mind about this. At first, I shared Mark's dislike of usurping {da} like this. I don't much like using {ke'a} either (we might need it for a genuine relativization), but I thought we might use an unbound {ko'a}. And of course you can usually use {ri} or {ra}. (Can we have {ri xi re}? Yes, apparently we can.) But I'm now coming round to liking {da}. If you have le ka da zo'u da broda that's not so different in superficial appearance from x: broda(x, ...) and possibly not too distant in intention from a more conventional prenex either. And if I'm right in my assumption that the scope of an implicit quantification is unspecified and to-be-glorked, then this naturally abbreviates to le ka da broda after all. co'omi'e .i,n.