From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Mar 17 08:55:35 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:43:09 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9640; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:41:59 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1607; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:43:06 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 13:55:35 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: TECH: more about *mo'u X-To: Lojban List To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9303171154.AA17763@relay1.UU.NET> from "C.J.Fine@bradford.ac.uk" at Mar 17, 93 11:52:55 am Status: O Message-ID: la kolin. cusku di'e > But we have been over this before. In general, non-logical connectives > cannot be expanded. > mi ce do casnu > does not mean the same (probably) as > mi casnu .ice do casnu This is entirely correct. A minor note: as part of the last place structure review, Lojban Central decided to change the x1 of "casnu" from a set to a mass (see JL16 p. 12); of course, this change is not yet official and people are still free to be ignorant of it. :-) > (Incidentally, .icebo is certainly unnecessary, and I think ungrammatical. > You need the "bo" after a tag, to prevent it swallowing the following > sumti or selbri, but ".ice" cannot be confused with "ce".) The "bo" is not necessary, but is grammatical. ".icebo" is the close-binding version of ".ice", just as ".ebo" is the close-binding version of ".e". Standard joiks don't have a "-bo" flavor for close-binding, but ijoiks do. > I don't agree. I think that non-logically connected termsets will do the > job - though they are not grammatical at present. I am convinced. I will add this capability to my latest version of the grammar. -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!lock60!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.